Monday, October 1, 2012
how do you shrink metal?
Western Electric 16A update....
wow... pretty vertical pieces.... ahhh.... but... but...
I have to be honest here... although I knew the 16a would be a formidable project, I was a little aloof and dismissed most of the work as just requiring labor as it was simple sheet metal, right? wrong. The initial impression from walking up to a 16a is that it is finished very simply and crudely.. and in many ways, it is.. but.. but... the more we looked, the more we realized it was very accurate.. very accurate... very smooth flares...
but we also noted a differing level of finish on the several examples we have seen up close... so we thought maybe the plans were just shipped around to regional metal shops.. but now, having tried to make some of these parts ourselves, we are convinced that at least the horizontal pieces were stamped... under very high pressures... there is no other way to get the flare that smooth...
so those of you who want to follow along in the geekery, here is an example of a section:
see that upturned lip of just under an inch running the length of each side? yes. that one... well, if the panel were flat, you could just take it to a sheet metal break and bend it. but because this piece is helical, the lip must stretch on convex turns and SHRINK on concave turns! how the heck do you shrink metal? yes, I know stretchers and shrinkers exist. But they are crude. inexact. there is no way to get this level of accuracy, much less repeatability, with a shrinker. You have to use brute force over a die. so in the name of doing this thing properly... so that every one will be the same... and so that each will flare smoothly... we are making dies... old school.. the proper way to build this...
but until we finish that, here are some pretty vertical pieces...
Saturday, September 22, 2012
Monday, September 17, 2012
Guest post: Shines pays Clippy a visit
Guest post: Shines pays Clippy a visit
So, a short while back, that has since turned into a long time, I shows up at Clip's place with assorted beers, which previous experience suggests works better than "Open sesame". Seeing as this a blog on stereos, let's get the beer thing out of the way first. Top tip: avoid smoked beer. Raising a bottle to my lips, it smelled of BBQ. "Strange," I thought, but interesting. Damn near tasted of BBQ too, but alas, closer to ashtray.
Thankfully, the remainder of the selection met with our approval. On to the sounds...
Let's begin with a disclaimer: as with all vicarious accounts of sonics, particularly those online, your prior position should be that I can't be trusted. Let me assuage some of your doubts. First, I am a *very* experienced listener, in fact, I have been listening for pretty much my entire life, beginning inside the womb, actually. Which, incidentally, is good for Lowther shout (more of which later).
Secondly, as my Q-tips will attest, I am quite the golden ear.
Anyways, the great thing about visiting Clips is your never quite sure what he's going to serve up. In my case, the speakers were the EMIA Field Coil Lowthers on rear loaded horns, driven by a 4304CB amp. Clips spun a record.
Initial impression: what the hell? These Lowthers were -somehow - smooth. Wha? Ordinarily, I'm not a fan of "fullrange" drivers, and in particular, *lowth* anything with a whizzer, but in this case, the usual banshee howl was gone. In its place: velvety, microtextured, gentle and relaxed (i.e. correct) sonics. Really very nice indeed. That field coil must be doing a lot more to the Lowther than just running a few lines of flux through its steel gizzards.
Again - I think the concept of a one-way speaker is a non-starter, at least for the stuff I like to listen to, but I would *gladly* build a front-horn loaded system around these puppies providing the midrange. I know that since my visit, they've been played in the big Azuras and relieved of bass duty. Would love to hear that setup some time.
Another beer interlude, and now that I had loosened up, Dave proceeded to fuck me up. To clarify: he asked me to compare two autoformer volume controls, identical save for the windings - one copper, one silver. I listened in that order, thinking, yeah, I'm probably gonna struggle to hear the difference, but I might probably convince myself that the silver sounds brighter up top, and confidently relay that back to him, so as to preserve some measure of Aural Cred with the EMIA boys and - erm - that's it.
No. No way. Not in a thousand years.
This messed me up. First thought was that the silver sounded just a little bit duller. A few seconds later: it's actually quite a lot softer, more relaxed - in a good way. A short while later, and I'm relaxed, enjoying "This one's for Blanton" -(incidentally, I gather this is a bit of an audio cliche disc, but having not heard it before, I actually really liked it). Just as I'm zoning out, Dave shouts from the control room (upstairs): would I like to switch back to the copper? Well, this ain't the time for enjoying the music, this is the time to figure how to enjoy the music more in future. So...
Back to the copper. It now sounded harsh and disjointed, almost distorted by comparison. A bit of back and forth... it was easy to pick out which - I asked Dave to switch stuff randomly and "blind" to make sure.
This, my fellow junkies, has so messed me up that it has even got me thinking of going scorched earth for OTL, for the simple reason that I can't afford the good stuff... and the thing is, the copper actually sounds quite lovely until you hear otherwise.
Confession: my textile ears have never been much good at picking out differences between passive components. It's probably why I love playing with different speaker drivers over other stuff. This, OTOH, was so damned obvious that I dread to think how miles apart MC step-ups in Ag vs Cu might be.
I don't want to think about this any more, at least, not until Silver hits 3 bucks an ounce again. Yah.
More beers, more records, a bit of post-midnight meat (ribeye and peppers on the grill). I'm absolutely zonked and ready to crash, but somehow, Clips persuades me that - at 2:30am - it would be a capital idea to stack some 80% nickel lams into some bobbins (thankfully, already wound and around), and compare to the amorphous outputs we had been listening to...the previous day.
Now I know why this site is called what it is. I must have inhaled 3 lungfuls of the mysterious fine powder that the lams came coated with. Clips assured me it was the manufacturer's proprietary coating - gotta admit, it made sense - you want high resistivity between laminations, that's the whole point of lams in the first place, and what keeps your transformer eddy current losses low, but erm, don't most guys apply some kind of varnish or lacquer coating? Hmmmm....
Dave checks the gap and characteristics on the bridge, pronounces the transformers healthy, and one of us has to wire these OPTs into the amp running at 1kV... ok, so my bronchioles are now nicely lined with lam powder and there's therefore no way a current can conduct across my chest, but not for nothing do they call him Clips. I return to the listening chair downstairs.
I've been rambling, so long story short. Amorphous: clean, crisp leading edge, clear. Nickel: big, billowing soundstage, very relaxed, built for comfort not speed.
*Somewhat* like copper vs silver respectively; but here - as Dave is fond of saying - we are talking a difference in flavour. In the former case (geddit?) - the silver/copper thing is more like eating your food vs having it delivered through a tube.
This has me thinking that an amorphous/silver combo might have a very, very interesting blend of sonics, but for now, I am confident that ye brethren would be absolutely delighted with 80% nickel.
Cheers,
shines
So, a short while back, that has since turned into a long time, I shows up at Clip's place with assorted beers, which previous experience suggests works better than "Open sesame". Seeing as this a blog on stereos, let's get the beer thing out of the way first. Top tip: avoid smoked beer. Raising a bottle to my lips, it smelled of BBQ. "Strange," I thought, but interesting. Damn near tasted of BBQ too, but alas, closer to ashtray.
Thankfully, the remainder of the selection met with our approval. On to the sounds...
Let's begin with a disclaimer: as with all vicarious accounts of sonics, particularly those online, your prior position should be that I can't be trusted. Let me assuage some of your doubts. First, I am a *very* experienced listener, in fact, I have been listening for pretty much my entire life, beginning inside the womb, actually. Which, incidentally, is good for Lowther shout (more of which later).
Secondly, as my Q-tips will attest, I am quite the golden ear.
Anyways, the great thing about visiting Clips is your never quite sure what he's going to serve up. In my case, the speakers were the EMIA Field Coil Lowthers on rear loaded horns, driven by a 4304CB amp. Clips spun a record.
Initial impression: what the hell? These Lowthers were -somehow - smooth. Wha? Ordinarily, I'm not a fan of "fullrange" drivers, and in particular, *lowth* anything with a whizzer, but in this case, the usual banshee howl was gone. In its place: velvety, microtextured, gentle and relaxed (i.e. correct) sonics. Really very nice indeed. That field coil must be doing a lot more to the Lowther than just running a few lines of flux through its steel gizzards.
Again - I think the concept of a one-way speaker is a non-starter, at least for the stuff I like to listen to, but I would *gladly* build a front-horn loaded system around these puppies providing the midrange. I know that since my visit, they've been played in the big Azuras and relieved of bass duty. Would love to hear that setup some time.
Another beer interlude, and now that I had loosened up, Dave proceeded to fuck me up. To clarify: he asked me to compare two autoformer volume controls, identical save for the windings - one copper, one silver. I listened in that order, thinking, yeah, I'm probably gonna struggle to hear the difference, but I might probably convince myself that the silver sounds brighter up top, and confidently relay that back to him, so as to preserve some measure of Aural Cred with the EMIA boys and - erm - that's it.
No. No way. Not in a thousand years.
This messed me up. First thought was that the silver sounded just a little bit duller. A few seconds later: it's actually quite a lot softer, more relaxed - in a good way. A short while later, and I'm relaxed, enjoying "This one's for Blanton" -(incidentally, I gather this is a bit of an audio cliche disc, but having not heard it before, I actually really liked it). Just as I'm zoning out, Dave shouts from the control room (upstairs): would I like to switch back to the copper? Well, this ain't the time for enjoying the music, this is the time to figure how to enjoy the music more in future. So...
Back to the copper. It now sounded harsh and disjointed, almost distorted by comparison. A bit of back and forth... it was easy to pick out which - I asked Dave to switch stuff randomly and "blind" to make sure.
This, my fellow junkies, has so messed me up that it has even got me thinking of going scorched earth for OTL, for the simple reason that I can't afford the good stuff... and the thing is, the copper actually sounds quite lovely until you hear otherwise.
Confession: my textile ears have never been much good at picking out differences between passive components. It's probably why I love playing with different speaker drivers over other stuff. This, OTOH, was so damned obvious that I dread to think how miles apart MC step-ups in Ag vs Cu might be.
I don't want to think about this any more, at least, not until Silver hits 3 bucks an ounce again. Yah.
More beers, more records, a bit of post-midnight meat (ribeye and peppers on the grill). I'm absolutely zonked and ready to crash, but somehow, Clips persuades me that - at 2:30am - it would be a capital idea to stack some 80% nickel lams into some bobbins (thankfully, already wound and around), and compare to the amorphous outputs we had been listening to...the previous day.
Now I know why this site is called what it is. I must have inhaled 3 lungfuls of the mysterious fine powder that the lams came coated with. Clips assured me it was the manufacturer's proprietary coating - gotta admit, it made sense - you want high resistivity between laminations, that's the whole point of lams in the first place, and what keeps your transformer eddy current losses low, but erm, don't most guys apply some kind of varnish or lacquer coating? Hmmmm....
Dave checks the gap and characteristics on the bridge, pronounces the transformers healthy, and one of us has to wire these OPTs into the amp running at 1kV... ok, so my bronchioles are now nicely lined with lam powder and there's therefore no way a current can conduct across my chest, but not for nothing do they call him Clips. I return to the listening chair downstairs.
I've been rambling, so long story short. Amorphous: clean, crisp leading edge, clear. Nickel: big, billowing soundstage, very relaxed, built for comfort not speed.
*Somewhat* like copper vs silver respectively; but here - as Dave is fond of saying - we are talking a difference in flavour. In the former case (geddit?) - the silver/copper thing is more like eating your food vs having it delivered through a tube.
This has me thinking that an amorphous/silver combo might have a very, very interesting blend of sonics, but for now, I am confident that ye brethren would be absolutely delighted with 80% nickel.
Cheers,
shines
Tuesday, September 11, 2012
drug store needle tester
This one came from a most unexpected source. I was bored and checking out all of the old familiar places when someone suddenly mentioned a "Mystery Retipper". Knowing most of the usual suspects, I took a peek and the guy is in Seattle. The two things that caught me from his bare bones site were the fact that he also repaired watches and the picture of the Fidelitone Needle Clinic.
To this day I never knew there was a "drug store needle tester" and this thing just looks awesome.
I really didn't want to call the guy for permission to use his pictures but 20 minutes of searching for this unique device had me dialing the phone. Chong answered the phone and we chatted a bit. The thing that impressed me from the entire conversation of cartridges, cantilever materials and stylus profiles was his pride in owning this "souvenir"
Wednesday, September 5, 2012
Directly Heated Triode Line Stage...
directly heated triode line stage
71a or Western Electric tennis balls
mercury rectified
film and foil in oil capacitors
six hand wound pieces of nickel (permalloy)
sixteen pieces of iron total
remote with balance and mute
remote with balance and mute
-47dB to +15dB in 1dB steps
10dB bandwidth = 3Hz to ~1MHz
1dB bandwidth = 14Hz to 125kHz
steel, brass, bronze, walnut, and maple chassis


and the filament glow....
Saturday, September 1, 2012
Know your angles. (new toy)
I finally picked up a milling machine that will fit into my already cramped workspace. It was a good deal.... you know used only to drive to church by a little old lady in Pasedena. Gotta love craigslist.
After my return from the land of walter, the field coil cartridge moved to the top of the heap and this thing showed up to empower me. Life has kept me from actually using it but yesterday I woke up with a purpose... i wanted to make a stylus!
OK I made a scale model of a stylus and unlike cars or planes, this model went in the other direction.
It seems a lot of people have the notion that the new way to set SRA is by using a USB microscope. Well I have seen some sincere abuse of this and came up with the observation that if you do not have the lens perfectly centered perpendicular to the contact facets, your measurements will be off.
Before going public with this I needed to actually prove it to myself and hence the split "slagle" contour above. The split was key so I could see through the contact edges and make sure the camera allignment was correct for my test.
that small bit of light tells me I am in the right position and the lack of uniformity of the gap tells me not to quit my day job...oops nevermind. Now lets provide some measurements of this beast.
Now the total shift may seem extreme and it was an inch or so but remember that we are dealing with a total dimension of only a few thousandths of an inch any shift of the camera is extreme.
I did my best to keep the SRA at a perfect 90 degrees but now notice that due to the camera being off center, the SRA line is now appears to be 87 degrees even though it is still actually 90 degrees.
I chose the symmetrical "slagle" stylus profile for this to make it easy but even with asymmetrical designs the point remains. Unless you have both the left and right contact points of the stylus in in a straight line to the center point of the lens, any measurements made from the image will be incorrect. Furthermore, the image capture plane must be at exactly 90 degrees to the center line or things can get wonky again.
Personally, I am happy setting the VTA by ear so I enjoy the music and believe introducing a flawed measurement system puts us back into the dark ages of audio.
After my return from the land of walter, the field coil cartridge moved to the top of the heap and this thing showed up to empower me. Life has kept me from actually using it but yesterday I woke up with a purpose... i wanted to make a stylus!
OK I made a scale model of a stylus and unlike cars or planes, this model went in the other direction.
It seems a lot of people have the notion that the new way to set SRA is by using a USB microscope. Well I have seen some sincere abuse of this and came up with the observation that if you do not have the lens perfectly centered perpendicular to the contact facets, your measurements will be off.
Before going public with this I needed to actually prove it to myself and hence the split "slagle" contour above. The split was key so I could see through the contact edges and make sure the camera allignment was correct for my test.
that small bit of light tells me I am in the right position and the lack of uniformity of the gap tells me not to quit my day job...oops nevermind. Now lets provide some measurements of this beast.
I placed my contact line at 90 degrees and measured the angles on either side. Guess what... I really need to pay more attention to my day job. Beyond that, I also realized how difficult preciison measuring is and I am actually content with the results of both my machining and measurement errors.
Here is the rub. What happens if you are even a bit off center? I shifted the camera to the left a bit to see what happens to the "slagle" profile. You can see the degree that I am off center by viewing into the side of the model.
Now the total shift may seem extreme and it was an inch or so but remember that we are dealing with a total dimension of only a few thousandths of an inch any shift of the camera is extreme.
I did my best to keep the SRA at a perfect 90 degrees but now notice that due to the camera being off center, the SRA line is now appears to be 87 degrees even though it is still actually 90 degrees.
I chose the symmetrical "slagle" stylus profile for this to make it easy but even with asymmetrical designs the point remains. Unless you have both the left and right contact points of the stylus in in a straight line to the center point of the lens, any measurements made from the image will be incorrect. Furthermore, the image capture plane must be at exactly 90 degrees to the center line or things can get wonky again.
Personally, I am happy setting the VTA by ear so I enjoy the music and believe introducing a flawed measurement system puts us back into the dark ages of audio.
Wednesday, August 22, 2012
EMIA Phono Specifications...
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hello boys and girls... dave and I decided it is time to post some information about what is inside those petite minimalist boxes that have been showing up at HiFi events the last year or so.... the first batch is sold out and was very well received... that means it is time for the next batch.. which also means we need to tell you what is hiding underneath the hood...
basically, this is anything dave and I would build and endorse... heavy... tube rectified... choke input... single ended... direct coupled for high resolution... and what we feel is a very novel method of implementing the RIAA equalization... it removes the giant series resistor that is always a dynamics killer... and of course no feedback... the official blurb is:
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MM RIAA phono corrector
two chassis construction for isolation of power supply
direct tube input directly coupled through shunt equalization
to a single triode output stage
[signal path is wire, tube, wire, tube, capacitor!]
tube rectified, choke input power supply
dual inductive filtering with permalloy [nickel] final filter stage
Supplied with 6J11 for V1, 5687 for V2
Alternate tubes:
V1 = 7788/e810F, 7721/D3a , 7722/E280F, 6688/E180F, 6J11, 6E6p
V2 = 1/2 5687, 6900, 7119/e182cc, 7044
V3, V4 = 6DA4/6DM4 rectification
gain, 42-48db depending on tube selection. 42dB with the 6J11 / 5687
input impedance = user defined
output impedance = 2000 ohms
max input voltage = 200mV RMS
max output voltage = 25V RMS
net weight = 38 pounds/ 17kg
110/220V operation standard
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hello boys and girls... dave and I decided it is time to post some information about what is inside those petite minimalist boxes that have been showing up at HiFi events the last year or so.... the first batch is sold out and was very well received... that means it is time for the next batch.. which also means we need to tell you what is hiding underneath the hood...
[the two boxes on the bottom are the phono stage - power supply and signal chassis]
basically, this is anything dave and I would build and endorse... heavy... tube rectified... choke input... single ended... direct coupled for high resolution... and what we feel is a very novel method of implementing the RIAA equalization... it removes the giant series resistor that is always a dynamics killer... and of course no feedback... the official blurb is:
The Emia phono is a tube based medium gain MM phono stage that uses a pentode input tube directly coupled to a triode output tube with shunt RIAA correction and zero feedback. This phono allows a wide range of tube types to be used without altering the RIAA characteristics. By simply rolling in these different tubes, the sonic signature of the preamplifier can be adjusted to taste. External plugs allow easy access to nearly infinite adjustment of loading for MM cartridges or external MC step up transformers.
EMIA Phono Specifications____________________________
MM RIAA phono corrector
two chassis construction for isolation of power supply
direct tube input directly coupled through shunt equalization
to a single triode output stage
[signal path is wire, tube, wire, tube, capacitor!]
tube rectified, choke input power supply
dual inductive filtering with permalloy [nickel] final filter stage
Supplied with 6J11 for V1, 5687 for V2
Alternate tubes:
V1 = 7788/e810F, 7721/D3a , 7722/E280F, 6688/E180F, 6J11, 6E6p
V2 = 1/2 5687, 6900, 7119/e182cc, 7044
V3, V4 = 6DA4/6DM4 rectification
gain, 42-48db depending on tube selection. 42dB with the 6J11 / 5687
input impedance = user defined
output impedance = 2000 ohms
max input voltage = 200mV RMS
max output voltage = 25V RMS
net weight = 38 pounds/ 17kg
110/220V operation standard
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Available in either black (below) or mocha (above)....
thanks!
Peace,
Me
Saturday, August 18, 2012
shielded boxes.
Spent some time away from the winder yesterday applying the mumetal and copper to a stack of boxes that we use to house SUT's, LCR's and other things that need shielding.
Thursday, August 16, 2012
just an old chassis....
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I picked up this old chassis... well, I think it is an old integrated amplifier... I haven't really looked under the hood at all... it was the style and construction that caught my eye... I think it is beautiful... the rounded corners... the "pedestal" it sits on...
the four knobs scream for a Slagle autoformer to be thrown in there... but I dunno... phono stage? just clean it up with soap and water and set it on the shelf? whatever... I just like it...
Peace,
Me
I picked up this old chassis... well, I think it is an old integrated amplifier... I haven't really looked under the hood at all... it was the style and construction that caught my eye... I think it is beautiful... the rounded corners... the "pedestal" it sits on...
the four knobs scream for a Slagle autoformer to be thrown in there... but I dunno... phono stage? just clean it up with soap and water and set it on the shelf? whatever... I just like it...
Peace,
Me
Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Listening to the Yamaha JA6681B compression drivers...
ok... so I listened to these briefly a while back... but with dave posting pretty pictures and vry yapping about the leaf spring suspension, I knew that I had to get them back out...
what you see is my shop "quick and dirty" listening rig... I listened only in mono... which is better when you are moving around working anyway... Le Cleac'h 340 fiberglass horn... and I bi-amped... the 71A summer amp on top and bottom... source was a mac mini/external hard drives and digital from a Hi-Face to a Behringer 24/96 with the output taken straight from the DAC chip... this sounds pretty good... and allows for a very fast changing of crossover.... and EQ or delay if needed...
I hear why people like this driver... it really does nothing wrong... it does have a bit of what I call the "ceramic magnet sound".... and I think it would benefit from a stronger motor... for it to compete with the very best of the very best it needs a little color, resolution, and jump... but that is comparing it to the best in the game... not really fair....
the funny thing is that I first hooked up driver A... and the mids were ok, but the treble sounded sorta rolled off, but also sorta broken... then I get an email from New Mexico saying, "hey man. I found that other phase plug in my tool chest."... so I opened the driver... yep.. no phase plug... too funny... so the above was written about driver B - *with* phase plug....
Peace,
Me
Saturday, August 11, 2012
What we Dew.
the best "non-bling" picture of the brass 301 i have seen to date.
the good news of this all is for the moment, you crazy kids in the states can get some 160 azuras if you act properly.
Friday, August 10, 2012
a pair of my old horns popped up on eBay....
a pair of horns that I made for Rocky Mountain Audio Fest a few years ago.. they are Le Cleac'h... I think 340 Hz flare rate.. a high T factor... probably in the 1.2 to 1.4 range... fiberglass with a few layers of damping on the back...
they sounded quite good... I liked them best when I was biamping... the 75tl on the horns and the 304tl on the 15" Altec woofers...
the seam that you see in one of the pictures is not a crack... it is actually where the back plate comes off to mount different drivers...
yeah, you gotta repaint them, but the price is certainly fair...
[link to auction at eBay.com]
Peace,
Me
Thursday, August 2, 2012
Walterfest
Pictures and commentary from another fun time in the land of walter.
Listening levels from about 20 feet. None of that sissy 1M stuff.
Old things surrounded us.
There were also other oddities like this bottle of hooch... i mean medicine that Darin brought.
Now that is my kind of pure food.
Then we get to the oddest thing of all. Mike and J-rob have some competition for dancing with the stars... JB @ 107db+ is not for the typical audiophool... needless to say we ate pure and had lots of medicine.
Listening levels from about 20 feet. None of that sissy 1M stuff.
Old things surrounded us.
There were also other oddities like this bottle of hooch... i mean medicine that Darin brought.
Now that is my kind of pure food.
Then we get to the oddest thing of all. Mike and J-rob have some competition for dancing with the stars... JB @ 107db+ is not for the typical audiophool... needless to say we ate pure and had lots of medicine.
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